Search Engine Optimisation for Every page [Archive]

theglowcompany

02-Jan-2003, 07:39 PM

Hi,

Happy new year to all.

Search engines are only picking up my front page and not any of the other pages. After running a Spider simulation at the spiders find this link & go no further

http://www.theglowcompany.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?SECTIONID=index.html&NOLOGIN=1r

I am sure this is the link from the Brochure" home page to the product sections.

Can anyone tell me of a fix for this or a way around this issue (I already have links from product images on the home page to the product sections). It is imperative that I can utilise a number of other pages for the search engines.

Any help welcomed.
Thanks (help!)

James

pinbrook

02-Jan-2003, 09:45 PM

if you are running business, then search engines can go no further than the login page.

Think about it....if you only allow logged in people to view your pages how can you expect a search engine to log in?

theglowcompany

02-Jan-2003, 11:02 PM

Jo,

I am using catalog not business.

help!

pinbrook

03-Jan-2003, 12:12 PM

Ok, I can't help with the NOLOGIN bit, thats what I saw and assumed business....heres some ideas to get around the problem

have you tried submitting the acatalog/index.html to the search engines

another good page to submit is sitemap.html ....it provides all the links to all your pages! (tell catalog to create the page even if you don't use it)

try putting links on more pages to acatalog/index.html, thus giving the spiders more opportunities to find the products

theglowcompany

04-Jan-2003, 10:05 AM

Thanks Jo, I will submit these to the SE's.

What I have done however is use a fragment to create a text link to the main catalog index page - I cant believe that Actinic have overlooked this one - it is crusial that the Actinic sites are spider friendly - after all that is the main battle.

Thanks again

James

pinbrook

04-Jan-2003, 10:52 PM

In my experience Actinic pages are very search engine friendly...

Although I tend to

1 strip out all the comments and unnecessary code to create a clean page
2 make sure every page has a keyword in the title (this happens when you call your sections by the name of the products within the section
3 have a unique description for every page
4 include about a dozen keywords to each section ensuring that these keywords are present in the page

i also tend to submit the root index page, the catalog index page and the sitemap.

and make sure I have an inbound link from at least one site with good page rank which is already indexed by google.

theglowcompany

05-Jan-2003, 01:34 PM

Thanks for the tips Jo - I'm just starting to understand how to SEO. What is the full address of the site map? & is the root index the home page?

Thanks Again Jo

pinbrook

05-Jan-2003, 05:09 PM

I would expect the path names to be as follows

www.yourdomain.co.uk/index.htm

www.yourdomain.co.uk/acatalog/index.html

www.yourdomain.co.uk/acatalog/sitemap.html

BPJSURF

07-May-2003, 12:47 AM

I just did some search engine research, I hope this will help you.

Brian

Meta Robots Tag

One meta tag worth mentioning is the robots tag. This lets you specify that a particular page should NOT be indexed by a search engine. To keep spiders out, simply add this text between your head tags on each page you don't want indexed. The format is shown below;

<HEAD>
<TITLE>Page I Don't Want In Search Engines</TITLE>
<META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX">
</HEAD>

You do NOT need to use variations of the meta robots tag to help your pages get indexed. They are unnecessary. By default, a crawler will try to index all your web pages and will try to follow links from one page to another.

Most major search engines support the meta robots tag. However, the robots.txt convention of blocking indexing is more efficient, as you don't need to add tags to each and every page. If you use do a robots.txt file to block indexing, there is no need to also use meta robots tags.

The meta robots tag also has some extensions offered by particular search engines to prevent indexing of multimedia content.

there is more>>>>

Robots Exclusion
Sometimes people find they have been indexed by an indexing robot, or that a resource discovery robot has visited part of a site that for some reason shouldn't be visited by robots.
In recognition of this problem, many Web Robots offer facilities for Web site administrators and content providers to limit what the robot does. This is achieved through two mechanisms:

The Robots Exclusion Protocol
A Web site administrator can indicate which parts of the site should not be vistsed by a robot, by providing a specially formatted file on their site, in http://.../robots.txt.

The Robots META tag
A Web author can indicate if a page may or may not be indexed, or analysed for links, through the use of a special HTML META tag.

The remainder of this pages provides full details on these facilities.

Note that these methods rely on cooperation from the Robot, and are by no means guaranteed to work for every Robot. If you need stronger protection from robots and other agents, you should use alternative methods such as password protection.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Robots Exclusion Protocol
The Robots Exclusion Protocol is a method that allows Web site administrators to indicate to visiting robots which parts of their site should not be visited by the robot.
In a nutshell, when a Robot vists a Web site, say http://www.foobar.com/, it firsts checks for http://www.foobar.com/robots.txt. If it can find this document, it will analyse its contents for records like:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /

to see if it is allowed to retrieve the document. The precise details on how these rules can be specified, and what they mean, can be found in:

Web Server Administrator's Guide to the Robots Exclusion Protocol
HTML Author's Guide to the Robots Exclusion Protocol

The original 1994 protocol description, as currently deployed.
The revised Internet-Draft specification, which is not yet completed or implemented.

Mike Hughes

07-May-2003, 08:23 AM

It's essential that you provide a path for the search engines to follow so they can crawl your site.

With Actinic the thing to do is have a sitemap link on your front page (it doesn't have to be highly visible, I usually just use a text link at the bottom of the page). This way they know that your front page links into the other pages so your google pagerank will be properly distributed across your site.

Don't just submit the sitemap page as if the other pages aren't linked to somehow from the front page then the pagerank of your front page won't get distributed to your other pages and you'll do badly on keyword searches.

Mike

pinbrook

07-May-2003, 10:57 AM

Search engines are only picking up my front page and not any of the other pages. After running a Spider simulation at the spiders find this link & go no further

This is an issue that Actinic ought to fix.

I have had the same problem with this. When this was first posted in Jan I hadn't experienced the LOGIN link, but several months later the issue has manifested. If a client with an exsisting site comes to me for search engine optimisation, I change this link to a simple

http://www.doamin.co.uk/acatalog

After my very complimentary comments to Chris Barling about how SE friendly catalog is....this needs to be fixed!

theglowcompany

07-May-2003, 08:05 PM

Well after typing a lengthy reply - & being promted I put too many images in I lost my post!!!!!

Synopsis -

Thanks all who have replied

Actinic please fix!

Can anyone help guide me to ensure each main catagory can be indexed from front page - I think as per how Mike described.

I'm not experienced in HTML

Please have a look at my very messy front page that has the links positioned by my web host & are lost every time I update

Help

Please help

Thanks!

cdicken

08-May-2003, 10:21 AM

Thanks for the comments. I will pass these on to the team right away.

Mike Hughes

08-May-2003, 02:35 PM

James,

I had a quick look at your site and the error a spider will get is from the link on your photo and the 'here' link on your new 'glow stick' product.

The rest of your links look fine and will be indexed by the spiders but these links are seriously wrong.

The link on the photo is taking visitors to "http://community.actinic.com/acatalog/EL_Wire_Glow_Wire.html" ???

The link on the 'here' text is creating a general script error.

I don't think you have a major problem. You just need to fix these 2 links. I would tell you how, but I never use the CGI-bin to go to products I just hard code the link with the target destination.

Mike

theglowcompany

08-May-2003, 05:30 PM

Thanks Mike, I'll look at those.

But this does not fix the problem that the links that I have put on the front page e.g 'glow to...' do not actually work (although they do have a link in the fragment) & are put in place by my web host every time I update - otherwise the spiders dont pick the links up - this is the real issue

This as you can imagine is causing serious problems as I am limited to the number of updates I can do

I havnt had any reply that explains or fixes this problem. I do not actually want the 'glow to..' links on the site - they are just there so that my web chap can put links behind them without getting 'baned' by any SE's

James

cdicken

09-May-2003, 10:01 AM

In your brochure fragments, when using the link feature, rather than using the 'Product' or 'Section' drop downs, use the 'URL' field and enter the full URL of the section page you want to link to. e.g.

http://www.theglowcompany.co.uk/acatalog/GLOW_IN_THE_DARK_PAINT.html

These links will be perfectly fine for search engines.

You could also include a fragment which points to http://www.theglowcompany.co.uk/acatalog/sitemap.html which will allow spiders to access all pages.

pinbrook

09-May-2003, 02:30 PM

This is normal behaviour of the login link. The way to take people into the store and login is to create a brochure fragment on your home page that says something like 'Log in and enter the store'. Make the URL of the fragment link something like:

http://your.URL/cgi-bin/ss00000x.pl?SECTIONID=index%2ehtml

Naturally replacing http://your.URL/cgi-bin/ss00000x.pl with the URL of your ss00000 script.

This will take people to the front page of the store and log them in on the way.

__________________
Cheers

Chris Dicken
Actinic Software

Hi chris

I've hijacked this quote from another thread this one (http://community.actinic.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1686)

This is the issue that I have with actinic and search engines. A search engine can not get past this link

It is ok for us who are familiar with SE optimisation, but the majority of "shop in a box" users will use this as their enter the store and wonder why they can't get listed

theglowcompany

09-May-2003, 08:02 PM

Chris,

I have put the full URL in the fragment - this is the issue.

I did try to just to point it to a section - that didnty work (tho it should!) so I put them as a full URL and that doesnt - my web host puts the links in 'behind' the textt links.

The links are up at the moment as my web chap has put them in place.

I use this tool http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/sim_spider.cgi

to check my links (I have used others as well with the same results)

I am a bit flummoxed why this hasnt been addressed & without a little bit of understanding of the SE's Actinic customers are going to fail miserably.

I am having to have my template rediesigned (at a cost!) to address this situation - although we will also make other changes as the front page possibilities are a bit poor

webyourbusiness

10-May-2003, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by theglowcompany
I am a bit flummoxed why this hasnt been addressed & without a little bit of understanding of the SE's Actinic customers are going to fail miserably.

Not being funny, but Actinic's tools provide ANY store owner the BEST possible tools for search engine optimization of ANY e-commerce tool we've found - and we've been looking HARD for more than 5 years.

The biggest problems with stores come from a lack of completion of descriptions, meta description and meta keywords (yes, I know most engines don't factor them heavily - I am a search engine optimization professional - but the next biggest failing comes from the actual naming of the pages.

example:

we setup a store for two brothers who were starting their own car performance shop - they wanted to sell the modifications they use online as the market here in the US is huge... really HUGE.

So we setup the store categories and trained them to input the products (past base products they provided which we used for training purposes).

Their setup was ranking #1 or right under it for search phrases WITHOUT PRODUCTS -and still is in Google - e.g.

Google for toyota supra superchargers or dodge viper superchargers or any one of a thousand searches which ARE their sub-section names, or pagenames, and you WILL find them:

dodge viper superchargers (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=dodge+viper+superchargers)

toyota supra superchargers (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=toyota+supra+superchargers)

It is not the job of Actinic (the company) to teach would be store owners how to setup their store for optimum search engine results - it can be done with a little research, or by hiring a professional consultant or firm of consultants.

What on earth do you expect for your licence fee? Actinic should bring buyers with open wallets to your door?

I think a modicum of common sense goes a long way in setting up a business, online or offline - unfortunately, the internet has attracted a lot of people without that pre-requisite for success - drawn by stories of untold riches made by mere accidents in the early days - these "business owners" would either fall by the way-side, or succeed over time in the real world - let alone the internet.

Don't blame Actinic - it's just a tool!

pinbrook

10-May-2003, 03:35 PM

Not being funny, but Actinic's tools provide ANY store owner the BEST possible tools for search engine optimization of ANY e-commerce tool we've found - and we've been looking HARD for more than 5 years

I totally agree with this statement....and in order to properly optimise your site you do need to know what you are doing. Indeed I have a client who has complety redesigned this store (with my advise) to get it search engine friendly.

I just have the the one big beef at the mo which is the use of http://your.URL/cgi-bin/ss00000x.pl...ID=index%2ehtml as a link from the brochure index page to acatalog/index.html. it is used on the "product" link and unwitting users are also using it as the main "enter the site" link. Search engines can't get past it.

If catalog is going to remain the BEST ecommerce store for SEO, then this link needs to be addressed

webyourbusiness

10-May-2003, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by pinbrook
I totally agree with this statement....and in order to properly optimise your site you do need to know what you are doing. Indeed I have a client who has complety redesigned this store (with my advise) to get it search engine friendly.

I just have the the one big beef at the mo which is the use of http://your.URL/cgi-bin/ss00000x.pl...ID=index%2ehtml as a link from the brochure index page to acatalog/index.html. it is used on the "product" link and unwitting users are also using it as the main "enter the site" link. Search engines can't get past it.

If catalog is going to remain the BEST ecommerce store for SEO, then this link needs to be addressed

We address it - we create STATIC links to all the major sections in the store using alternative, hard coded navigation (there was a good example at redline motorsports until the site owners decided to let their graphic design buddy play with it - [!@$!%!%%!%!!!%(!(!*!* !*!%$&*)!@].

You have a limitation there, but isn't there ALWAYS an alternative path for spiders to follow - I thought there was - just because one link is "dynamic" doesn't mean you have an SEO disaster on your hands.

Greg

pinbrook

10-May-2003, 05:14 PM

Greg,

We both are agreeing here, even though we appear not to be.

My point revolves around the site written by "shop out of a box" user. The one who does not employ a professional.

some search engines only want you to submit the top level URL. if you do this with the
http://your.URL/cgi-bin/ss00000x.pl...ID=index%2ehtml

the SE can get no further into the site

theglowcompany

22-May-2003, 10:00 PM

The comments from you both are valid & I am having good successes with SEO on google.

But you have picked up on an off the cuff remark & not commented on the issue I was explaining - (look above) the fact that the spiders are not picking up the links from my front page to other pages & that my web host puts these in place for me 'behind' the links I have in place (they are up at the moment)

I'd really like to resolve this one as it is causing problems as I have to minimise the number of updates I do to my site.

Please help:(

pinbrook

22-May-2003, 10:09 PM

But you have picked up on an off the cuff remark & not commented on the issue I was explaining - (look above) the fact that the spiders are not picking up the links from my front page to other pages & that my web host puts these in place for me 'behind' the links I have in place (they are up at the moment)

I am confused, I don't understand what you mean when you say your webhosts are putting links in behind.

I've looked at your index page and most of your links are going to the acatalog pages - that to me is what should be happening and thus Google will follow

theglowcompany

22-May-2003, 10:20 PM

Hi Jo,

I will upload my catalog - this will remove the links that my host puts in as I mentioned.

To check my links I used a spider on www.searchengineworld.com & whilst they do appear at the moment they will not be there after I update.

I noticed Gooogle hadnt picked up a number of changes 7 additions I hade made after a 'dance' & tracked it down to these links not being in place.

Will update now - may take 5 mins - but would appreciate your comments & observations.

Thanks

theglowcompany

22-May-2003, 10:30 PM

Update complete - links have gone

Spider shows:

http://acatalog/links.html

http://www.theglowcompany.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?SECTIONID=index.html&NOLOGIN=1

http://www.wrexham-internet.co.uk/

no other links

pinbrook

22-May-2003, 11:04 PM

right........................I now understand!! but can't offer any solution at present (its late!!)

I've run your page through sim spider and it doesn't show your links , exactly as you say.

I then destroyed your page and uploaded the remnants to my site (http://www.pinbrookhosting.co.uk/untitled.htm)

then ran the result of my handcode through simspider and it shows the links oK

I also ran simspider on one of my client sites which has a brochure page as an index page, and - same results as your current page.

Will you turn on the links your hosting ompany did, I'd like to see the results of that now

theglowcompany

22-May-2003, 11:09 PM

Thanks, I will but I will now have to email him & ask hinm to do it when he has a mo - I'll let you know when they are up

pinbrook

22-May-2003, 11:10 PM

Ok, I'm going to bed now!!

I-CC

23-May-2003, 09:47 PM

Right guys, so long as you do not want to make use of a front page for the site, then you can overcome this problem by making the root folder the acatalog folder in effect.

What we recommend is that you amend the way that the Actinic software uploads its file by removing the /acatalog folder completely from the equation.

An example of this can be found at: http://217.206.220.59 - This is a site that we are on the verge of completion for a client. The files normally uploaded to the /acatalog folder is done away with and all the files go straight into the root folder of the site.

If you visit http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/sim_spider.cgi and type in the IP address of http://217.206.220.59 and do the sim spider, you will see that it lists most pages and with normal use of the sitemap button/link within your templates, which this site does not yet employ, it would list every single page of the site.

BTW: Reason no domain name is because it is being transfered to us this weekend ready for next week.

You will see within the site that the links to the sections are all standard URLs, i.e. no cgi script connections that are preventing the indexing of the site, so this should produce good search results.

To achieve this you would need to manually edit your ActinicCatalog.mdb file located within your site1 folder. Within it you will see a table called Setup2. Open this table and then where every occurence of acatalog exists, remove it so that the / alone is left. Close the database and then using FTP delete the content of your cgi-bin, as those scripts will retain the /acatalog information.

Update your site and your files will be sent to the root of the site for the normal acatalog folder and cgi-bin files will go in there normal location.

NOTE: By doing this you will not be able to use the Network Configuration menu at all. If you do so much as view the config and click apply or OK, then the acatalog statements will be added back into the directory information and you will have to then go through the entire process again.

Hope this helps you guys to overcome the problem, but again it is only for those that don't want the root brochure page to be shown at all....

Hope it helps.........

Jan

24-May-2003, 06:09 AM

I have just tried the spider sim and there were lots of links from the frontpage but most of them were in the form

http://acatalog/Contact.html

which is not valid. Is this just a display problem in the simulation or is this what the spiders would actually try to use?

I have changed all of the ones under my control to have a full path just in case (which has had the rather pleasant side effect of removing a dialog box that always appeared telling me that some of my paths were not in acatalog).

Regards

I-CC

24-May-2003, 07:19 AM

that is the spiders way of showing relative URLs if not mistaken.

theglowcompany

28-May-2003, 05:18 PM

Hi Sorry for the break - been away for a few days.

Thanks for the replies - Techno will answer once I have had time to fully digest this. By removing the /acatalog wont this affect my results in the search engines? - once this is removed the address wont exist & visitors to the site wont find the pages - I dont know - ??:confused:

I-CC

28-May-2003, 05:30 PM

The best way to overcome this particular aspect of it would be to add a custom error page within the empty /acatalog folder of say index.html that says something along the lines of:

We have massively changed the offerings within our site. You will shortly be directed to the index of our site or you can click here....

And establish a meta refresh to forward all visits to this page onto the roots index.html page.

Added within this, create a .htaccess file within the /acatalog folder that contains:

ErrorDocument 404 http://www.domain.com/index.html

then, all visits to your original pages within the /acatalog folder will show the error document explaning the change in site and redirect them to the correct and new index page of the site outside of the /acatalog folder.

Its an option....

theglowcompany

28-May-2003, 05:47 PM

I appreciate the info - but its way beyond me I'm afraid & sounds a little messy.

I cant believe that this is an issue with Actinic - everything else works fine - so why cant these links be picked up:confused:

If you do the spider now you will see the links are now there as my host has put them in place.

Actinic cant you help????:(

I-CC

28-May-2003, 05:55 PM

It is quite straight forward to do the above, but you are right when you say that it is not all really down to the Actinic software why the links are not being referenced by search engines, it is how search engines work and so long as you do not use the product link within the fragments for connections to products then it works fine.

I do not really understand why your host has to do the changes for you thou.

Surely by using the Brochure facility and having the top page as the root as the site, you can create the lists of links you have shown now by using fragments galore, and linking by connecting then as pagenames.....

Really strange that your host has to conduct changes to your pages for you......

theglowcompany

28-May-2003, 06:34 PM

You mention "and so long as you do not use the product link within the fragments for connections to products then it works fine"

if I'm not mistaken this is what isnt working on my front page. I have used the fragments to create the links & have it linking to a URL - not a product section.

Oh I'm really confused now!

I-CC

28-May-2003, 06:38 PM

is it a relative url or full url as full urls should work fine.....

theglowcompany

28-May-2003, 06:43 PM

Full.

e.g. under the 'click here' under 'Glow to Glowsticks & Lightsticks'

The fragment has the URL option with http://www.theglowcompany.co.uk/acatalog/glowsticks_glow_sticks.html
in the box

I-CC

28-May-2003, 06:48 PM

Well that will work fine..... But I thought you said that your host had to upload the page for you before it would work? What is that part for, i.e. what is different from what you upload to that which your host then changes....

Strange that your host has to make changes to the page for it to work , or have I got this wrong..

theglowcompany

28-May-2003, 06:53 PM

Hi, no this is the problem it doesnt work.

When I upload the site or refresh it these links do not show.

My web host does something manually everytime I upload (causing lots of problems)

The links are there now as he has put them in place

I-CC

28-May-2003, 06:57 PM

Email us a copy of your Act_Brochure template, or what ever it has possibly been named as being used for your root brochure page...

Also could you send us the fragment templates that are used to produce the information and links and we will see what we can see from those for you, not promising anything thou...

send it to support@techno-web.co.uk...

BTW: that is not an open invitation to all ok, :)

pollygordon

28-May-2003, 07:01 PM

James,

I have had a look at the sim-spider. I think you need to have a look at your index.html file.

The very first link the spider hits is http:\\acatalog\links.html. You need to edit your index.html and change it so it has the full path

http:\\www.theglowcompany.co.uk\acatalog\links.html

At the moment the spider is trying to find a page called http:\\acatalog\links.html which does not exist and is receiving a 500 timeout error.

The nologin command is also embedded in your index.html so you can change that too.

Use notepad to open your index.html file to look at it.

Hope this helps,

Pauline

pollygordon

28-May-2003, 07:05 PM

my \\\ should be //// by the way, oops!

pinbrook

28-May-2003, 07:07 PM

the very same discussion is taking place here (http://community.actinic.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=8428#post8428)

I have run several tests to see what happens within brochure index file

theglowcompany

28-May-2003, 07:31 PM

mmm........OK

Please excuse me - I'm not very techie & my brain is starting to hurt!

So are you suggesting that I go into the links fragment & change the page file name to

http://www.theglowcompany.co.uk/acatalog/links.html

+ at the beggining of the tree (the house) & change the page file name from index.html to something else (?)

Not as easy as that is it?

Sorry but where is the index file located & what should I change?

pollygordon

28-May-2003, 07:33 PM

I deleted my brochure page and created an index.html file in Dreamweaver for this reason.

When I say look at your index.html - I mean whichever file you are using for your primary brochure page?

Act_BrochurePrimary ?

Have a look at that file and you should see that where you have your links section, that's where you need to add the full path to your \acatalog\links.html

Otherwise spires will continue to hit this link and go no further.

Hope this makes some sense

pollygordon

28-May-2003, 07:37 PM

James,

If within Actinic you go to the Advanced Tab and then go to template manager.

Then select Change View and select the brochure tab.

click on the primary button and that should open your primary brochure page (or the equivalent of my index.html)

That file should contain the reference to \acatalog\links.htm

you need to change it to the full path

pinbrook

28-May-2003, 07:39 PM

I have a solution that simspider likes.......

instead of using the link maker within the fragment box use the text area in the fragment box and embed the html thus

!!<<a href="/acatalog/index.html">link </a>>!!

or

!!<<a href="http://www.pinbrook6.co.uk/acatalog/index.html">link </a>>!!

both these links are visible

Try the simspider test on www.pinbrook6.co.uk

pollygordon

28-May-2003, 07:40 PM

ps. James, if you're changing anything are you able to create a backup copy of any files you edit.

Just in case?

theglowcompany

28-May-2003, 07:43 PM

Primary is as follows - I'm out of my depth on this:(


<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<TITLE>NETQUOTEVAR:PAGETITLE</TITLE>
<Actinic:BASEHREF VALUE="NETQUOTEVAR:BASEHREF" FORCED=NETQUOTEVAR:BASEHREFFORCED/>
<META NAME="ACTINICTITLE" CONTENT="NETQUOTEVAR:PAGEHEADER">
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">




<LINK REL=STYLESHEET HREF="actinic.css">
<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" SRC="actiniccore.js" TYPE="text/javascript"></SCRIPT>
</HEAD>

<BODY NETQUOTEVAR:BGIMAGE OnLoad="NETQUOTEVAR:ONLOAD" NETQUOTEVAR:BGCOLOR TEXT="NETQUOTEVAR:FGCOLOR" NETQUOTEVAR:LINKCOLOR NETQUOTEVAR:VLINKCOLOR NETQUOTEVAR:ALINKCOLOR>
<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" background="palette2bg.gif">
<tr>
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I-CC

28-May-2003, 07:47 PM

Sorry guys.. Ack the fact that we would all like the Actinic software to provide links that spiders will accept, but I think the main problem that james is having is that every time he updates his sites root brochure page, he needs his host to change the uploaded page because non of them connect as they should into the acatalog folder.

Or have I got this wrong James... Surely this is the main problem and getting over the spidering is a concern but not as bad as losing the front page each time you update your site...

Let us know...

theglowcompany

28-May-2003, 07:54 PM

Erm..........

My issue is that the links going into my site from the front page arnt picked up by the spiders - or Sim spider, (was making my site poor on Google)

Therefore, as we didnt know how to sort this my host suggested putting the links up for me at the server side - which works - but everytime I update he has to put these in place again.

pollygordon

28-May-2003, 07:56 PM

James,

I think Jo is going to be more help then I am - I'm not used to editing these templates and don't want to make matters worse for you.

I can see where your problem lies when I look at your website and view your source code, but I'm not sure which template you have to edit to put the full path to your \acatalog\links.html file.

I'm sorry if I've got this wrong but my understanding of the problem is that you want Search Engines to spider your catalogue.

Have I missed the point completely?

I-CC

28-May-2003, 07:59 PM

okey dokey....

Best and easiest as pinbrook suggested then, instead of using the LINK feature just hard write it into the text field of the fragments concerned and that should do the trick...

i.e. instead of putting [LINK] to visit our page page page...

put in !!<a href="/acatalog/pagename.html">Click Here</a>>!! to visit our page page page....

And that will do the job for you...

theglowcompany

28-May-2003, 08:00 PM

Yes thats right

pollygordon

28-May-2003, 08:09 PM

Does Jo's suggestion help?

I'm not sure what all this fragments lark's about because I do my brochure pages in Dreamweaver.

Hope you get this fixed.

pollygordon

28-May-2003, 09:45 PM

James,

Further to all our posts I had a look at Google - with the Google toolbar installed which lets you view Google's Page Rank of your pages, yours are 5 out of 10 which is good.

You have a listing with the Open Directory Project (www.dmoz.org) which is an achievement and will boost your position within Google.

Also if you type in the Google search bar

allinurl:www.theglowcompany.co.uk

and then include the omitted results, this will show you what Google is spidering.

It will show you that your site in my opinion is being spidered no problems

Cheers

Polly

theglowcompany

29-May-2003, 08:23 AM

Polly, yes we're not doing too badly - but it is spidering properly because of the links that my host puts in - we have been doing this for a few months now.

I'll have a go with Jo's suggestion - thanks Jo - dont know how this differs from yours Techno - thanks for your replies.

I have 2 questions Jo:

Will this method show on the front page - a URL? (not ideal - I need a more permanent fix - sorry to be ungrateful!)

I didnt really understand the html - what would I need to write for each link?

Thanks for everyones help again.

theglowcompany

29-May-2003, 05:29 PM

Well, thanks to all & especially Jo the links are now in place as Jo & Techno (sorry!) suggested.

Jo sent detailed instructions that even I could follow!

The site can now be updated anytime!

There must be others who are having this same problem - & I think Actinic need to sort this one out -It has caused lots of problems

Thanks again to everyone.

I-CC

29-May-2003, 05:32 PM

Glad it is all sorted now James, and no need to be sorry about anything.

Best of luck....